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Koehlers

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Posted - 06/01/2010 :  10:48:56 AM  Show Profile  Visit Koehlers's Homepage  Send Koehlers a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
I have a Dam due June 4th. Last night she started walking in circles, doing the leg lift thing, front feet up and down then back feet up and down. Would start to cush down then get right back up and circle again.
She is a small framed girl and as big as a barrel. She ate fine yesterday, hosed bellies which she loves.
Very bulging back end puffy and loose. Checked on her several times through the night as I thought we may be having a night baby.
This morning she is cushed, did not get up when I brought out hay. She is not humming, I put a bucket of water in front of her and she is drinking but she will not get up. Her breathing does not look rapid.
I tried to get her to stand but got a face full of spit as I tried to lift her up.

Should I wait through this morning and see what progresses? I am concerned that she will not stand, but I have only had 3 births here so am not real experienced , she has had a cria before no problems say the previous owner.
Do you ever have a Dam that just stays cushed until delivery?

I also have hay in front of her she does not want it, but it is there.

Do you think there is a problem or is she just miserable and does not want to move?

Tracey Koehler
(989)751-0269
Koehlers 4 Star Alpacas
Michigan
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Judith

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Posted - 06/01/2010 :  10:58:22 AM  Show Profile  Send Judith a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
She just sounds miserable to me, Tracy. If she were humming or groaning, or appearing stressed (nostrils flaring, heavy breathing, etc.), then I'd be concerned but I'd give it some time. She'll likely stand when she's ready. You might watch along her spinal column to see if you see contractions; they're pretty evident there. If there are contractions but no dilation, then I'd call in a vet to have a peek.

Judith Korff
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LadySong Farm Bolivian Suri Alpacas
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allamericanalpacas

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Posted - 06/01/2010 :  11:36:57 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The orbiting sounds like labor to me. I'd call the vet

Rick
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All American Alpacas
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Koehlers

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Posted - 06/01/2010 :  11:44:58 AM  Show Profile  Visit Koehlers's Homepage  Send Koehlers a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
I have a call in but he can't be here until 2:30 that is 3 hrs from now.
I am wondering if I should glove up and lube up and see if I can feel anything.
Last night I could see what I thought were feet poking around her perinuim area.

Tracey Koehler
(989)751-0269
Koehlers 4 Star Alpacas
Michigan
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Koehlers

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Posted - 06/01/2010 :  12:34:09 PM  Show Profile  Visit Koehlers's Homepage  Send Koehlers a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
I just lost her.

Tracey Koehler
(989)751-0269
Koehlers 4 Star Alpacas
Michigan
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Dusty Creek Ranch

123 Posts

Posted - 06/01/2010 :  12:39:57 PM  Show Profile  Visit Dusty Creek Ranch's Homepage  Reply with Quote
OH, I am so very sorry. Please let us know what happened.

Regards,

Susan Frank
Dusty Creek Ranch
www.dustycreekranch.com
Texas, USA
432.556.2147
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Koehlers

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Posted - 06/01/2010 :  2:31:43 PM  Show Profile  Visit Koehlers's Homepage  Send Koehlers a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Sorry to say that I did lose her. I can not believe how fast this happened. I put a call in to the Vet this morning, she was acting fine last night other than shifting a bit. No moaning, no humming, eating and drinking well, temp was 101. She was playing in the hose with the other girls. Went out this morning and she would not get up and within 2 hours time she was gone.
I believe it must have been a uterine torsion as the Vet asked me if I could feel a head or legs and I can't. It just feels like a sac,uterus. Last night we could see what I believed to be little feet pushing around. Now I am wishing I would have done something last night, but she was acting just fine. Needless to say now I am going to be a total wreck until all of the others deliver.
I appreciate all of the advice and calls. Thank you

Tracey Koehler
(989)751-0269
Koehlers 4 Star Alpacas
Michigan
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wsantus

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Posted - 06/01/2010 :  3:05:00 PM  Show Profile  Visit wsantus's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Tracey,
So sorry to hear about your lose. Our thoughts are with you.

Regards,

Santus
More Than A Glance Alpacas
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Dusty Creek Ranch

123 Posts

Posted - 06/01/2010 :  3:21:29 PM  Show Profile  Visit Dusty Creek Ranch's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Are you going to have a necropsy done?

Regards,

Susan Frank
Dusty Creek Ranch
www.dustycreekranch.com
Texas, USA
432.556.2147
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Christiane

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Posted - 06/01/2010 :  11:38:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Tracy, I am feeling for you. What a loss that is, and how fast she went.

Christiane Rudolf
Tanglewood Farm
19741 Victory Lane
Fayetteville, Ohio 45118
(513) 875-3739
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JimR

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Posted - 06/01/2010 :  11:40:25 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh Tracey, I am so sorry. There is nothing I can say that expresses how sad I feel for you. Please think of me giving you a big hug, you truly deserve one. You are in my prayers.

Susan Rempe
Four Corners Alpacas
Bloomfield NM
River11524@msn.com
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highpeaksalpacas

1291 Posts

Posted - 06/02/2010 :  06:11:59 AM  Show Profile  Visit highpeaksalpacas's Homepage  Reply with Quote
very very sorry for your loss
the stresses of cria season are always huge...and we worry and hope that all goes well...your loss is a heartbreaker, and I send you wishes for better times ahead.

Debbie
High Peaks Alpacas
Wilmington, NY
www.alpacanation.com/highpeaks.asp

You only live once...live with alpacas!
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Alpacalypto

74 Posts

Posted - 06/02/2010 :  09:19:48 AM  Show Profile  Visit Alpacalypto's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Tracey,

Very sorry for your loss, but you should know that even if you took her to the vet, sometimes these things happen. I also had a girl acting strange, all the normal signs of labor, but there was a large protrusion above and to the left of her anus. She seemed to go into labor and push, and then stop, then start, then stop. Yesterday I went in to feel around, and could only get knees and a backbone, so off to the vet we went.

The vet figured a torsion so we rolled her,corrected it, and then she examined again. The cervix was not open properly and the baby still backwards, with his legs bent the wrong way. We decided to C-section, and all was going well, baby delivered. As they were closing, mom's heart just stopped. They must have worked on her for 30 minutes trying to get it going again, but nothing... I was shocked, as was the entire staff... all 5 of them in tears, and I was the one comforting them...

My point here is, you just never know... it seems to me that she held on as long as she could, and once her baby was out and safe, she gave up... at least that is what I choose to believe. Now I am bottle feeding and hoping that I can get him "grafted" to another girl.

My heart goes out to you, and I'm sure that the rest of your cria season will be great!

Best Wishes,

Scott

Scott Sillito
Vida Loca Alpacas
Calgary, Ab
403-463-3508
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MarnaDavis

34 Posts

Posted - 06/02/2010 :  09:35:48 AM  Show Profile  Visit MarnaDavis's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Oh, Tracey, I am so sorry. It is tough, and when one is relatively new to cria birthing and delivery it is especially hard I think...

Marian Davis
Tryphon Farm Alpacas
4265 Lytle Ferry Road
Waynesville, OH 45068
info@tryalpacas.com
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Lee

384 Posts

Posted - 06/02/2010 :  10:03:21 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Tracey,

I am so sorry for your loss.

Lee Ann Hammer
Magnolia Hill Alpacas
West Point, VA.
757 870 0037
larryhamm@gmail.com
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ard

1819 Posts

Posted - 06/02/2010 :  2:18:15 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Tracey,
I'm really sorry to hear of your loss. You really agonize over it, but there is probably nothing you could have done. We have had losses this year and I know how difficult it is. Maybe it was because of the hard winter we had. Anyway, take care and give your other alpacas a hug.

Robin Alpert
Alpacas 'R Diamonds
15163 W 323rd
Paola, KS 66071
913-849-3738
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Koehlers

782 Posts

Posted - 06/02/2010 :  10:56:34 PM  Show Profile  Visit Koehlers's Homepage  Send Koehlers a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alpacalypto

Tracey,

Very sorry for your loss, but you should know that even if you took her to the vet, sometimes these things happen. I also had a girl acting strange, all the normal signs of labor, but there was a large protrusion above and to the left of her anus. She seemed to go into labor and push, and then stop, then start, then stop. Yesterday I went in to feel around, and could only get knees and a backbone, so off to the vet we went.

The vet figured a torsion so we rolled her,corrected it, and then she examined again. The cervix was not open properly and the baby still backwards, with his legs bent the wrong way. We decided to C-section, and all was going well, baby delivered. As they were closing, mom's heart just stopped. They must have worked on her for 30 minutes trying to get it going again, but nothing... I was shocked, as was the entire staff... all 5 of them in tears, and I was the one comforting them...

My point here is, you just never know... it seems to me that she held on as long as she could, and once her baby was out and safe, she gave up... at least that is what I choose to believe. Now I am bottle feeding and hoping that I can get him "grafted" to another girl.

My heart goes out to you, and I'm sure that the rest of your cria season will be great!

Best Wishes,

Scott

Scott Sillito
Vida Loca Alpacas
Calgary, Ab
403-463-3508
http://www.alpacanation.com/farmsandbreeders/03_viewfarm.asp?name=16475
info@vidalocaalpacas.com



Scott I am so sorry for you. I guess there are always others that know what we are going through. It is very hard and make you worry all the more. I have 5 more due this month and I am a nervous wreck.

To my friends thank you for all of the kind words and hugs. It means more than you can know.

Tracey Koehler
(989)751-0269
Koehlers 4 Star Alpacas
Michigan
http://koehlers4star.tripod.com/index.html
www.alpacanation.com/koehlers4staralpacas.asp
http://michianalpacas.ning.com
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TheAlpacaRosa

571 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2010 :  07:28:33 AM  Show Profile  Visit TheAlpacaRosa's Homepage  Reply with Quote
So sorry Tracey. Did you get a definitive answer to what was wrong? Was it a torsion or a dystocia?

Carolyn

Don Marquette
The AlpacaRosa
Ohio
www.alpacanation.com/thealpacarosa
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