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 Cria with Soft Rolling Skin?
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AlpacaWoods

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Posted - 01/03/2012 :  09:59:59 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Does anyone have experience with Soft Rolling Skin or Folded Skin. I have a 4 week old Cria. When she was born I felt which seemed like matted fleece. I didn't think anything of it since she was still a little wet. Now at 4 weeks she has what feels like thick veins under her skin. They are located mainly around her front and back legs along her trunk. They have a distinct pattern on both sides. The Vet suggested soft rolling skin but really not sure as these bands are fairly thick and under the skin. Any ideas?
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littlewing

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Posted - 01/03/2012 :  4:18:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello,
We have had some incredibly dense alpacas born here. Can you post a photo some where? On your AN site or a website perhaps?
Thanks,
Amanda Schwab
Little Wing Alpacas
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Russcyn

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Posted - 03/21/2012 :  11:47:49 PM  Show Profile  Visit Russcyn's Homepage  Reply with Quote
About 3 years ago, we had a white, female suri born with exactly the same skin type.

It was very pronounced around the base of her neck and all the way up to her head. There was also some "wrinkles" over her body area but none on her legs.

The "wrinkles" were consistently as thick as my small finger (about the thickness of a pencil).

Unfortunately, she died at 5 months from a suspected dog attack, so I never got to see if these wrinkles would last into adult-hood. I had a look at scraps of her skin that had been torn off in the attack and the wrinkles went all the way down to the basal layer. The inside of her skin was smooth and you couldn't tell where the wrinkles were from the inside.

I was told by an Ausralian Suri breeder that there is a particular line of Peruvian Suri that throw this trait. All have consistently ultra fine fleece and I must say that this girl had the best fleece I've ever seen in a cria. Her subsequent 2 brothers don't have the same skin, even though one is a full brother. They do have amazing fleece qualities, but no wrinkles.

Enjoy your "Sharpei" alpaca. One thing is for certain. They sure are special.

Russcyn Alpaca Stud - Warmth Without Cruelty
York, Western Australia
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Ian Watt

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Posted - 03/22/2012 :  2:56:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is not soft rolling skin (folded skin is a new term I am not familiar with) as this alpaca will grow into those 'folds/wrinkles' as it ages. Soft rolling skin is a fleece style that allows you to grab a handful of skin over the ribs and move it - not may alpacas have loose enough skin that even allows you to get a handful, let alone move it freely over the body.
You do need to be careful with this animal particularly in hot and humid climates as it is possible to get fiber ort and mold in the depths of the fold/wrinkle in some circumatances.
Further, the first year fleece will be very much affected by varying fiber length in the shorn fleece which will affect spin quality.
Good luck!
Cheers

Ian Watt
Alpaca Consulting USA
www.alpacaconsultingUSA.com
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sparky168

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Posted - 05/01/2012 :  3:40:55 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
From what I understand is you may have yourself a very dense alpaca that will grow into the folds and exhibit extreme density. Good luck!

Riptide Farms
Sussex, NJ 07461
973-222-9401
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Aussiealpaca

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Posted - 06/25/2012 :  02:46:29 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I agree with you sparky, I have had some suris with this along the neck down to the back and they have grown into very dense animals. I think it is an indicator that the animal is dense but have found the only true way to know for sure is to get a skin biopsy. I have had these done and the resulting figure Follicle per mm2 is the fact. I would have loved to do this on all my animals but it does cost so I just have it done to confirm the density on new stud males. The average figure is about 35 follicles, I have had some around the 50 mark but I have herd of 1 alpaca in the 70's.

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Mark Helling
Alabaster Suri Alpaca
Colinton NSW Australia
"Alpacas with a twist"
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