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Schmiesing

48 Posts

Posted - 10/28/2007 :  3:01:41 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi everyone. I have a situation with a female & am looking for advise. We have a proven female who had her 2nd cria at the beginning of June. Our vet had to pull the cria. About a month after the cria was born, our female started staying away from the rest of the herd & acting like she was having a hard time going poop & pee. When she went poop, though, it looked normal & she didn't seem to be constipated. She has a hard time controlling where she goes at. Instead of going to the communal dung pile, she just goes wherever. Our vet treated her for a urinary tract infection, because it seemed as though she would just squirt a little at a time & she was uncomfortable when she did urinate. After a round of antibiotics & banamine, she seemed fine for awhile. About a month later, same thing. We did another round of the treatment, and again she was fine. Now she seems to be back to having a hard time going again. She walks around with her tail up most of the time and just generally does not feel good. Any suggestions! Thanks!

MarNell Schmiesing
Amsterdam Alpacas
7080 Amsterdam Road
Anna, OH 45302
amsterdamalpacas@watchtv.net

Alpacalady

685 Posts

Posted - 10/28/2007 :  3:10:16 PM  Show Profile  Visit Alpacalady's Homepage  Reply with Quote

Hi MarNell,

You may want to contact (or have your vet contact) OSU and speak with the very qualified vets there, perhaps you would need to bring her to OSU to be checked out by a specialist. Perhaps there was some damage during the birth that accounts fer her discomfort.
Has she been re-bred? If so, was there a problem with the breeding and is she pregnant?

Sorry I can not be of more help, this is just a suggestion and may be worth the call.

Hope you find the answer soon,
Laila

Graceland Alpaca Farm
Lisbon Falls, Maine
gracelandfarms@verizon.net
207-353-2171
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Schmiesing

48 Posts

Posted - 10/28/2007 :  3:56:58 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
She was rebred & absorbed. We bred her again & so far she seems to be holding OK. Thanks for the reply.

MarNell Schmiesing
Amsterdam Alpacas
7080 Amsterdam Road
Anna, OH 45302
amsterdamalpacas@watchtv.net
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workalone

85 Posts

Posted - 10/29/2007 :  8:02:46 PM  Show Profile  Visit workalone's Homepage  Reply with Quote
MarNell:
I have a female with the same problem. The diagnosis is that she has struvite crystals in her bladder. These are small "flecks" which float around in the urine in her bladder which give her the feeling that she has to urinate. If left untreated these crystals will form into a bladder STONE which could block her urine flow.
My vet does a transrectal ultrasound to evaluate the bladder. The bladder should be solid black, but with my girl there are small flecks/sparkles floating all over the place. The treatment that my vet has me use on my girl is a daily dosage of Ammonium Chloride. This "controls" the situation, but my vet is completely stomped as to what the cause is and we have yet to come up with a cure all.
Reading about the birthing situation which lead to your girl having sypmtoms, it makes me question if it might in some strange way have something to do with the birth...because my girl didn't have much trouble birthing, but i did have to go in and slightly adjust one of the legs. After that the cria birth was pretty uneventful. I first noticed my girl having sypmtoms on New Years Day. She had given birth in mid November, which would make it just over a month post birthing.
I would be happy to correspond with you some more on this situation and if your vet would like to contact mine, i'm sure he wouldn't mind...in fact, i'm sure he would like to correspond with your vet because we have yet to come up with a CAUSE or a CURE.
Good luck with your girl. And by the way, i was able to rebreed mine. It took on the first try and i'm expecting her cria to be arriving in approx. 2 weeks. Keeping my fingers crossed that the birth goes OK and that the baby arrives HEALTHY and without problems.
Again, hoping for the best for your girl and mine and let me know how your situation works out.

Deb@Paca Pastures
Youngsville,NC
dworkalone@wmconnect.com
deb@pacapastures.com
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sherih

399 Posts

Posted - 10/30/2007 :  3:52:16 PM  Show Profile  Visit sherih's Homepage  Reply with Quote
There is an herbal product that is called the stone buster. It's Chanka piedra. When the urinary stones were prevalent earlier this year a man wrote my daughter to say that he has had stones for much of his adult life and takes Chanka piedra daily. He is stone free. My daughter gave it to her cat who has always had weak stream problem, and had bloody urine. After the treatment he has been fine.

It is a liquid and can be administered by mouth. Just google it.

Sheri

Sheri Hewitt
Woodland Meadows, LLC
Creswell, OR
541-895-0964
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workalone

85 Posts

Posted - 10/30/2007 :  8:36:57 PM  Show Profile  Visit workalone's Homepage  Reply with Quote
MarNell, Sheri:
Months ago i had posted about my girl having trouble urinating and several people wrote back about the ChancaPiedra. I thought that seemed to be EXACTLY what i needed. I did some research and found that ChancaPiedra has an abortive property. I elected NOT to try this treatment as the animal in question is a bred female.
You can make up your own mind, but i just wanted to tell you about what i had read about this herbal treatment. I hope for the best for your girl and PLEASE keep in touch on the progress as i still treat mine daily and would love to know if there is a treatment that would CURE rather than just keep her condition under control.

Deb@Paca Pastures
Youngsville,NC
dworkalone@wmconnect.com
deb@pacapastures.com
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llamapelli

1401 Posts

Posted - 10/30/2007 :  9:46:48 PM  Show Profile  Visit llamapelli's Homepage  Reply with Quote
For anyone who would like more info on this subject, I have a PowerPoint presentation and article (written years ago for the Rocky Mountain Llama and Alpaca Association Journal) on bladder stones/crystals. I gave a lecture on the subject for a class at WVU, thus the PowerPoint. It all developed from a baby llama I lost to a (single) stone years ago. If anyone is interested, e-mail me or post, and I can send it to you.

Stones can be lethal in males, but luckily rarely a major problem in girls.

Melanie McMurry
Anasazi Alpacas & Kokopelli Llamas
Gladesville, WV
304-864-5210
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llamapelli

1401 Posts

Posted - 10/30/2007 :  9:54:17 PM  Show Profile  Visit llamapelli's Homepage  Reply with Quote
FYI, diet and water are the biggest factors in controlling stones. The bads: horse feed, alfalfa, alkaline water. Unfortunately, they can also just happen (genetics), and lifetime urine acidifiers are needed.

Melanie McMurry
Anasazi Alpacas & Kokopelli Llamas
Gladesville, WV
304-864-5210
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Schmiesing

48 Posts

Posted - 10/31/2007 :  8:49:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Melanie, thanks for the information. I am going to print off the power point presentation & give it to my vet.

MarNell Schmiesing
Amsterdam Alpacas
7080 Amsterdam Road
Anna, OH 45302
amsterdamalpacas@watchtv.net
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Schmiesing

48 Posts

Posted - 10/31/2007 :  8:52:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Melanie, I guess I need your e-mail address. Kinda got ahead of myself. Thanks!

MarNell Schmiesing
Amsterdam Alpacas
7080 Amsterdam Road
Anna, OH 45302
amsterdamalpacas@watchtv.net
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llamapelli

1401 Posts

Posted - 10/31/2007 :  9:53:58 PM  Show Profile  Visit llamapelli's Homepage  Reply with Quote
My e-mail is llamapelli@aol.com. I will send it out to you Tuesday (I'm going out of town tomorrow, and the presentation is in my office).

Melanie McMurry
Anasazi Alpacas & Kokopelli Llamas
Gladesville, WV
304-864-5210
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