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oldredbarn

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Posted - 04/23/2007 :  09:48:11 AM  Show Profile  Visit oldredbarn's Homepage  Send oldredbarn an AOL message  Send oldredbarn a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
We have a proven male (12 cria on the ground) we were trying to breed to a few of our girls yesterday and he would not breed them. Two girls were maidens and one was proven with a cria at side.
We started him out spit testing three of our girls he has already bred. He was interested in them and they all spit him off. We then tried each of the other girls and he showed no interest. We finally left him with the proven girl for awhile and she cushed. He just looked at her and walked away from her.
It is really weird because he has always gotten the job done with no problems. Do you have any thoughts on why he may be acting this way?

Sarah

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allamericanalpacas

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Posted - 04/23/2007 :  09:53:11 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
After being spit on by 3, he likely just gave up for the day. I wouldn't sweat it, just give him the open ones today.
I tried to breed Saturday, 2 experienced boys weren't interested. They were shorn Thursday and we had a major rain Friday.

Rick
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MoonlitAlpacas

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Posted - 04/23/2007 :  2:08:01 PM  Show Profile  Visit MoonlitAlpacas's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Dear Rick and Sarah: I wonder if any comedians are reading these posts - can you imagine the routine that could come from finally finding a male who doesn't constantly think of sex?

On a more serious note, if your male doesn't seem interested - you might have him watch a breeding like we do with Jr herd sires to help teach them "technique".

All the Best! Carol

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allamericanalpacas

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Posted - 04/23/2007 :  2:15:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Carol,
It did cross my mind, but I didn't say anything, gotta be "politically correct"

Rick
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Judith

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Posted - 04/23/2007 :  3:24:25 PM  Show Profile  Send Judith a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
With the amount of experience he's had, he may just know they're not at the right point in their cycle. Keep trying him; he just doesn't want to waste his energy on "no gos."

Judith Korff
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oldredbarn

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Posted - 04/24/2007 :  7:44:34 PM  Show Profile  Visit oldredbarn's Homepage  Send oldredbarn an AOL message  Send oldredbarn a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Well it happened again! Only this time it was all three boys. Each boy had two girls to breed and they all just stood around looking at each other. Am I doing something wrong? I have never seen this happen before espically with these boys. They are all pretty aggressive breeders. Any suggestions or am I freaking out for no reason?
Thanks,
Sarah

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allamericanalpacas

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Posted - 04/24/2007 :  7:57:02 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you have a tape recorder, record http://llamapaedia.com/gifs/orgle.aiff in a loop and play it while a male is in with the female.
No, I'm not kidding, I've used the orgle sound to get a male started up, and it works.
One of these days though, I'll record it, I just make the noise myself and I do get hoarse.

Rick
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MoonlitAlpacas

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Posted - 04/24/2007 :  8:27:10 PM  Show Profile  Visit MoonlitAlpacas's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Are the girls readily cushing and ready to breed? The boys may really know that the girls are not in cycle. Sorry not to be of more assistance, but I haven't had this experience. Carol

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vlyons

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Posted - 04/25/2007 :  09:10:00 AM  Show Profile  Visit vlyons's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I would do a "bait and switch". That is, halter up 1 girl and 2 boys. Tie one of the boys to the fence. bring out the girl and the other boy. When the tied-up one sees the other male with a girl, he SHOULD get jealous and start clicking and orgling, which SHOULD get the untied one very interested in breeding.

Virginia Lyons
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